Banned from the US Expose by the BBC - : Bush manipulated election

Banned from the US Expose by the BBC: Bush manipulated election

BBC Report: Jeb Bush saves brother's day costs the free world 8 years


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=496_1177338149


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i think this has always been obvious, just neva any proof

If by obvious you mean, "total crock of shit" then yes, I think it's pretty obvious.

Didn't they make a movie about it? Man of the Year....

Yes. They also made a movie about a stripper with machine gun strapped to the stump of one leg.

That was an excellent movie btw. She is so hot!!! A dream come true : stripper with machine gun strapped to the stump of one leg..... Lets all close our eyes for a moment.

how dare you suggest saint george bush would have accepted florida on a plate from his brother <- who done a flawless job on security at airports and skyscrapers. :fly:

Do you know how many ppl had to have been involved in such a operation someone would definatly have spoken publicly by now. :bunny:

You know how to prove this is a lie?
dylon avery is still alive :nrocks:

LMAO Actually, the republicans couldn't ever fix votes in Florida. Thanks to Trafficante who still controls the entire southeastern seaboard.

fix the vote....na; loose them in transportation....yup! He didn't even win the popular vote, sneaky bastard won by eletorial. My 3/5 vote just isn't good enough anymore.

*pulls hair out of skull* Vote fixing is not GOP MOP. Just take my state where the liberals basically said, "instead of taking the republican that you all voted in, we're just going to keep counting these things until our candidate comes out on time." 6 "re-counts" later, SURPRISE!!! guess who wins. The people whining about "vote stealing" during bush's election make a further mockery out of the american political process.

Also, I don't feel very strongly about any of this :D

Why does voting have to be so complicated?

easy fix.....go into a cubicle put in 50 cents in slot ,blind goes up you see 1 hoe dancing with a bush (unshaven) and you see 1 hoe dancing with a fucked up pussy (gore)

push button A for gore

push button B for Bush

push button C for shaven cunts in the vault :bluntsmile:

sigh only in HAmerica :bunny:

:nrocks:

I'll let n00b continue and wait for han to put up another 9/11 conspiracy video.

back to the subject sorry for the hijacking jon


http://www.noobsters.com/forum/imagehosting/3462cfb32b4ab1.jpg

its not wat u know, but who, and bush doesnt look like he has enuff brain cells to start that fire. Daddy and his club is sure making things easier for junior.

It's sad that people judge him by how he looks and talks. Pretty shallow if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, I think he's majorly screwed up some of the economy and hasn't taken a hard enough stance on the war, but this is what he said today in response to one of our retarded senators telling everyone that the war is already lost and that their going to use their "power" to "bring our boys home" before they fail anymore. He said, " I'ts not for washington politicians to tell the military commanders how to do their job." Anyone who thinks this is just another vietnam should look at that and realize the difference. No matter the political ramifications, he's willing to stick it out and listen to the people that actually know what they're talking about, not cave to political pressure by retards in suits on a hill somewhere.

thank gawd for babbling midgets :bluntsmile:

I'll babble you, ya midget lover!

It's sad that people judge him by how he looks and talks. Pretty shallow if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, I think he's majorly screwed up some of the economy and hasn't taken a hard enough stance on the war, but this is what he said today in response to one of our retarded senators telling everyone that the war is already lost and that their going to use their "power" to "bring our boys home" before they fail anymore. He said, " I'ts not for washington politicians to tell the military commanders how to do their job." Anyone who thinks this is just another vietnam should look at that and realize the difference. No matter the political ramifications, he's willing to stick it out and listen to the people that actually know what they're talking about, not cave to political pressure by retards in suits on a hill somewhere.

U guys prob believe him cos he's ur president and u trust the shit that he says, but some us over this side of the pond believes that he his doing watever he wants and no1 can really stop him, and he knows that. And i aint saying u dont have the intelligent to know the dif and make up ur own minds. I'm just saying the matrix has u, try taking both the red and the blue pill and try to see wats really going on.


btw jon, this is a holdup, we are hijacking this thread, send us some sammiches or we kill one hostage per hour :D

Chicken little dies first.

I would've gone into politics, but I don't have the stomach for organized crime :P

prob believe him cos he's ur president and u trust the shit that he says
That's got nothing to do with it man. That's a completely separate argument. Some of his policies have failed some have worked. He's done some really good stuff and some not so great stuff. It's emotive arguments like "OMG BU$H IS SATAN FTW" that have no place in political discussions. Nobody that hates bush is ever going to change their minds. They don't have the ability to look objectively at a situation and make a decision on the subject.
doing watever he wants and no1 can really stop him
No, he's not swayed by the political machinations of those who want to "stop him." Look at it this way. There's a war going on, not started by us. We took the fight to the enemy. They're not just our enemy, there the enemy of any freedom loving nation. Now we've got people calling for Bush to call the war off. How exactly is he supposed to do that? The people that are calling for that are essentially calling for defeat. Bush doesn't listen to the politico's though. He sees through to their self serving politics. He listens to the people on the ground that are doing the actual work. I respect the man for that, in spite of whatever else I disagree with him about.

The conspiracy theory BS red pill blue pill crap is an invention of people who want to distract you from what's really going on. Sorry.

*puts on mask and grabs gun to join Mojo

note to self* 24-4-07 found a way to piss off the Americans :D

Knock over our towers?

neh the CIA got there first...one of the few things in history they've managed to succeed at...:D

Roflwaffle

http://www.youtube.com/v/ivp7rth7Eo4

You forgot

http://www.prussianbluestore.com/

For such an intelligent guy, I am supprise by your sheepish views on our so called leader. We all know that Bush is a puppet. If we are after terrorists, why are we not in Syria or Pakistan? There were much bigger fish to fry...

For such an intelligent guy, I am supprise by your sheepish views on our so called leader. We all know that Bush is a puppet. If we are after terrorists, why are we not in Syria or Pakistan? There were much bigger fish to fry...

I so agree. Why has the US not invaded other countries with terrorist, WMD's, or dictactorships?

nOOb: Has your life improved since Bush has been president? How? What exactly has he done besides take the fight elsewhere?

Yea Jon...this thread has been taken by noobsters terrorist, and we have WMD's hiding in the vault.

We all know that Bush is a puppet
Every politician is a puppet.
why are we not in Syria or Pakistan?
Simple tactics. Force your enemy into battling you on territory of your choosing. Create a focal point and hammer away at them. It's why the surge is working and why vietnam failed.
sheepish views
They're called opinions. You don't like em, that's fine. Nice to be free to disagree aint it.

how can u say its just for this war to have even begun?
WMD? oops they found none!
To liberate a nation from tyranny? U pwned Saddam and crush his regime, yet there is still a strugggle to contain the backlash from all the peeps that u've 'liberated'.

Billions have been spent on the campaign yet at home, many ppl are still living below the breadline. U spend so much money just to chase some dude thru the mountains? i doubt this would be the only reason since u say that Bush is clever than his critics would have u believe, and if this is the case, then he must a a alternative agenda for sending so much troops to iraq!
Is there a need for having so much troops to be there? U have the advantage in weaponry, ur advances in such technology shud mean less raw man power is required to defeat the opposing army. Yet he has committed more soldiers. U dont do that unless u are planning to build up a mother base there, and maybe see if there are any more 'little' guys around that u can also pwn.

Dont get me wrong, i aint gonna tell u that i know all the facts and all that crap. I'm just telling u my perspective of how i see the situation, i am sure a few ppl out there will agree also.

WMD? oops they found none!
No they didn't find any, thanks to U.N. dilly dallying. It's still a fact that WMD's were used in the wholesale slaughter of the Iraqi people. There's just no getting around that one. That combined with the evidence of factories where mass production of these weapons had taken place with in the last 10 years tells you something. And I don't think it appropriate for the President to be cracking jokes about that stuff at fund raiser dinners like he did.
To liberate a nation from tyranny? U pwned Saddam and crush his regime
That is only one part of a larger whole here. By doing that we created a presense there where our military, and the military of other freedom loving nations, could fight the enemy on a fixed point. Every day more and more of these "insurgents" for lack of a better word, are captured or killed. Weapons stockpiles are found and destroyed. Plots are being foiled because of the work being done on the ground. Why would we leave when we are in the middle of smashing this threat to all our nations?
strugggle to contain the backlash from all the peeps that u've 'liberated"
Now who's living in the matrix? :D This isn't backlash from liberated Iraqi's. Liberated Iraqi's are fighting along side your troops and mine and taking the fight to the enemy.
many ppl are still living below the breadline
Maybe on your side of the pond, not here. There are more people getting richer. There are more opportunity's here than ever. At least where I live. Unemployment has dropped dramaticaly during Bush's term. For the most part, his policies have been good for business. Still, I'm disturbed by his advancement of government. Certain aspects of the patriot act concern me. Not because I think they're bad ideas, but because I think that there isn't enough citizen represented oversite.
U spend so much money just to chase some dude thru the mountains?
What makes you think that's what's going on here? It's not. You have to look at the big picture. That's just one part of the whole pie.
since u say that Bush is clever than his critics would have u believe
It's not that he's clever, or smarter than anyone else, it's that he listens to the right people. He's not caving to partisan politics, for the most part, he's listening to the people on the ground getting the job done. Johnson, Nixon, those all catered to their poitical cronies and weren't willing to do what it took to get the job done at the expense of their carefully crafted public image.
I'm just telling u my perspective of how i see the situation,
That's cool man. I don't expect to change your opinnion, all I can hope for is to offer you a little different perspective by expaining my opinion to you. Ah the beauty of the internet :D

So far 18 hostages have died because we have no sammiches. I would like turkey on whole wheat with all the fixin's...

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And I don't think it appropriate for the President to be cracking jokes about that stuff at fund raiser dinners like he did.
its these little inappropriate things that he does that getting him the reputation of being a jackass.


Now who's living in the matrix? :D This isn't backlash from liberated Iraqi's. Liberated Iraqi's are fighting along side your troops and mine and taking the fight to the enemy.


How can u be sure that they wanted to be 'liberated' in the first place. Were the Iraqis even consulted or even got a vote on the idea that their country needed a democary? cos it seem like they didnt have a choice about it. u gotta see mr n00by that some of those iraqis may not want to be governed by westernise rules.

These 'insurgents' maybe those kinda ppl, and how can u be sure that they are the 'baddies', a posibility could be that they are just trying to fighting to get back their country.
If u look at it from their point of view, u guys came and attacked their land, killed their leader (no matter how bad he is) and fooked up their way of life.
U tell if that happened to ur country u wouldnt do the same?

I'm not defending their actions, but am trying to look at their side of things. U may look at them thru ur 'democractic' eyes and see them as ignorant ppl who follows their old, out dated religious belief blindly and think that they could have a better life, isnt that for them to decide? Instead of forcing ur ideas on them.

I know wat ur thinking, that Saddam didnt give them much choice either, but u gotta see that they have been living under such governing rules for themselves since the birth of their nation and they are the ones that decided their leadership, their government, not u or I. So u cant just go invading them under the guise of 'freedom' and wat not.

But as most ppl knows these are just superficial arguements which hides the agendas that Bush
has.

There are more people getting richer. There are more opportunity's here than ever. At least where I live. Unemployment has dropped dramaticaly during Bush's term. For the most part, his policies have been good for business.
Is it from the nice amount of black gold that they found in Iraq?


It's not that he's clever, or smarter than anyone else, it's that he listens to the right people. He's not caving to partisan politics

or maybe he knows that those politicians cant really touch him and his 'dictatorship'.



That's cool man. I don't expect to change your opinnion, all I can hope for is to offer you a little different perspective by expaining my opinion to you. Ah the beauty of the internet :D

I hate the internet, the internet left me and took my son!

some of those iraqis may not want to be governed by westernise rules.
None of them do. That would be ridiculous. Western "rules" are offensive to them. You're looking at this like we're trying to impose some form of western rule on them like your country did. We're not. It's about them being able to have basic human rights.
could be that they are just trying to fighting to get back their country.
I personally know soldiers fighting there right now. My best friend finally got back this year. Most of the Iraqi's that fight, fight because they are told if they don't, them and their families and businesses will be raped pillaged and destroyed. The one's that want to wage war with the evil satan west are mostly not from Iraq at all. Iraq has created a central place for them to come and fight. And they're getting pounded.
attacked their land, killed their leader
Gave them running water and electricity, rebuilt infrastructure, schools, and businesses, and saved them from total annihalation.
I'm not defending their actions
Well, you are, but it's okay. It's good to try and see it from their perspective. I think, though, that you're confused between Iraqi's and "insurgents." The Iraqi people want to be able to govern for themselves, something they have not previously been able to do. We are affording them that chance.
U may look at them thru ur 'democractic' eyes and see them as ignorant ppl who follows their old, out dated religious belief blindly and think that they could have a better life
But that's not what I've said at all. And that's not how I think. I'm not THAT arrogant. I don't see them as ignorant backwards people. I see them as people who haven't been able to have a way of life until now. In the past, a Christian couldn't even set foot in the square without being hacked to pieces. Missions work is thriving over there right now.
forcing ur ideas on them.
It sounds like you've bought the media interpretation of this war hook line and sinker. I could be wrong. I hope I am.
isnt that for them to decide?
YES! and they've made that decision. They're able to go to the polls. Go to the market. Express ideas and beliefs. They're able to live!
they have been living under such governing rules for themselves since the birth of their nation and they are the ones that decided their leadership
NO! NOW they have decided their leadership. If you think they governed for themselves and decided their leadership before then you're crazy. Rulers TOOK power and subjugated everyone else under them. In fact you're describing the opposite of what's taking place. Because the media is telling you this is what's happening. They're saying, EVIL AMERICASATANHITLERSTALINGBU$H IS RUNNING AMOK AND KILLING EVERY THING AND RAPING BABIES AND PLUNDERING THE LAND AND KEEPING THE IRAQI PEOPLE DOWN! So they've taken sadams role, and passed it on to bush. Do you honestly believe that's what's going on? there's no evidence of that, in fact, the evidence is to the opposite. So tell me how you can justify a view like this: u guys came and attacked their land, killed their leader
fooked up their way of life
forcing ur ideas on them
they have been living under such governing rules for themselves since the birth of their nation
they are the ones that decided their leadership
You don't have a clear view of their way of life and their history as a nation if you believe that the U.S. came in and now they're worse off. These views aren't based on any sort of factual reality.
its these little inappropriate things that he does that getting him the reputation of being a jackass.
Why can't you simply disagree with something someone does instead of calling them a jackass? you say this lightly, like there's a lot of these instances. That's pretty self righteous. Everyone has their moments. If you were an Iraqi under sadams rule and you said that and a store owner that wanted your land / wife / house heard you, you'd simply be ratted out to the republican gaurd and taken away to be shot.

That brings something else up. All these bleeding hearts whining about Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo are so far out of touch with reality it's not even funny. Compare these places to the absolute horror that the Iraqi people have been subjected to under Sadam and others. Compare that to the death houses and beheadings and torture chambers that victims are STILL being rescued from over there. And still these people are OUTRAGED at the treatment of a prisoner who would sooner slit their western throat than look at them. Talk about lack of perspetive. Jeeze.

Is it from the nice amount of black gold that they found in Iraq?
Yeah, let me know how the war has improved our oil situation. I can't wait.
or maybe he knows that those politicians cant really touch him and his 'dictatorship'.
Hahahaha yeah, there's probably a little of that, "Hey, what are you going to do about it," mentality. But considering what he's got to deal with over here, that's probably a good thing. I mean come on. Nancy effing Pelosi? *smacks forehead.
I hate the internet, the internet left me and took my son!
Have no fear, I'm sure Bu$h will invade another poor defensless country to rescue them :D

Ok mr n00b, wid all the media talks and interweb conspiracy theories aside, why do u think Bush went to war? simple or complex answer welcome.

Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and was a Threat
Key word, had. Should have gotten there sooner I realize. But they'll never have them again thanks to us and our allies.
Iraq had Violated UN Resolutions for 12 Years (1991 to 2003)

Iraq was not a Democracy

Iraq was Oppressing its own People (Especially the Kurds)

Iraq Torture it's own citizens as well as their neighbors.

Iraq had Invaded its Neighbours

Iraq had Links to Al-Qaida and Supported Terrorism

Iraq Told Lies and Misled the World Community

In addition, it served to create a battle ground of our choosing, where the enemy would come and fight on our terms. This is very important. A while back, it seemed like you were advocating invading Iran or Syria. That wouldn't be smart. We're learning far more about their plotting through their spies and terroristas they send into the Iraq conflict. And we're not making martyrs out of them either. It's a smart strategy, no matter how much Mccain jokes about bombing them into the ground.

Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and was a Threat
Key word, had. Should have gotten there sooner I realize. But they'll never have them again thanks to us and our allies.
Iraq had Links to Al-Qaida and Supported Terrorism


But can u really trust the source of these reasons? How can u be sure that Bush hadnt feed them to ya so he can have his excuse for the war. I mean isnt the US media pretty much controlled by the government?



In addition, it served to create a battle ground of our choosing, where the enemy would come and fight on our terms. This is very important. A while back, it seemed like you were advocating invading Iran or Syria. That wouldn't be smart. We're learning far more about their plotting through their spies and terroristas they send into the Iraq conflict. And we're not making martyrs out of them either. It's a smart strategy, no matter how much Mccain jokes about bombing them into the ground.

Another 'nam? This time, the ppl aint as clever and ur definately keeping an eye out for those dam tunnels.....this u'll surely get that win!:fly:


btw jon, we killed all teh hostages, how can u justified urself as this thread starter?? plus, wat about all of us in hear starvin to death waiting for u sammiches?:wazzup:

But can u really trust the source of these reasons?
You mean my buddies that have been over there and seen the evidence? Yeah, I know em pretty well. I'll take their word on just about anything.
How can u be sure that Bush hadnt feed them to ya so he can have his excuse for the war
I can't be sure of what any politician says. I have to think for myself and determine if I agree with it. That's how the thought process works. You receive information, check the facts, and make a decision. Keep in mind that the WMD issue was just one of many issues.
isnt the US media pretty much controlled by the government?

The current U.S. media are complete tools, with the exception of talk radio. We call them the drive by media. Instead of objectivley reporting the facts, they now sensationalize to try and form opinions. It's sickening. They've totally abdicated their social responsibility. Americans realize this, which is why talk radio and the internet have taken over as the main sources of information.
Another 'nam?
The similarities are there, but the differences are striking. For one, a Commander in Chief actually listening to his military advisors.

The current U.S. media are complete tools, with the exception of talk radio. We call them the drive by media. Instead of objectivley reporting the facts, they now sensationalize to try and form opinions. It's sickening. They've totally abdicated their social responsibility. Americans realize this, which is why talk radio and the internet have taken over as the main sources of information.


So all those conspiracy videos that that Han prob shown u, well there gotta be some truth to wat they say about bush right?!

So all those conspiracy videos that that Han prob shown u, well there gotta be some truth to wat they say about bush right?!
......Why?

So all those conspiracy videos that that Han prob shown u, well there gotta be some truth to wat they say about bush right?!
......Why?

because i posted them :mod:

......Why?
becos as u said the interweb is prob da last true place for free expression. Those vids offered u an alternative view to wat mainstream media would shy from. Plus the evidence were pretty substantial in condemning Bush's ability to safeguard the lives and home of the people that trusts and supports him.



..plus Han posted them and he has good source!:bluntsmile: